Bilingual. 285. Lodge asked permission from President Kennedy for him to go straight to Generals and tell them that the US prepared to have Diem without Nhus, but it is in effect up to them whether to keep Diem, and to insist Generals take steps to release Buddhist leaders and carry out the June 16 agreement.

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Bilingual. 285. Lodge asked permission from President Kennedy for him to go straight to Generals and tell them that the US prepared to have Diem without Nhus, but it is in effect up to them whether to keep Diem, and to insist Generals take steps to release Buddhist leaders and carry out the June 16 agreement. / Đại sứ Lodge xin phép Tổng thống Kennedy để nói thẳng với các Tướng VN và nói với họ rằng Hoa Kỳ đã chuẩn bị để giữ Tổng Thống Diệm, mà phải loại bỏ ông bà Nhu ra khỏi quyền lực, nhưng thực tế, việc giữ ông Diệm hay không là tùy thuộc vào họ và yêu cầu các Tướng phải thực hiện các bước để thả các nhà lãnh đạo Phật giáo ra khỏi tù và thực hiện thỏa thuận [giữa chính phủ Diệm với Phật từ đã ký] ngày 16 tháng 6/1963.

285. Telegram From Michael V. Forrestal of the National Security Council Staff to the President, at Hyannis Port, Massachussets1

Washington, August 25, 1963, 5:34 p.m.

CAP 63461.

For President’s information following cable received from Lodge2 in answer message of last night.3 Begin text: Believe that chances of Diem ‘s meeting our demands are virtually nil. At same time, by making them we give Nhu chance to forestall or block action by military. Risk, we believe, is not worth taking, with Nhu in control combat forces Saigon. Therefore, propose we go straight to Generals with our demands, without informing Diem . Would tell them we prepared have Diem without Nhus but it is in effect up to them whether to keep him. Would also insist Generals take steps to release

Buddhist leaders and carry out June 16 agreement.4 Request immediate modification instructions. However, do not propose move until we are satisfied with E and E plans. Harkins concurs. I present credentials President Diem tomorrow 11 a.m. Lodge. End text. Ball, Harriman and. Hilsman have answered Department approves modification.

NOTES:

(1) Source: Kennedy Library, National Security Files, Vietnam Country Series, 8/24/63-8/31/63, State Cables. Top Secret; Eyes Only; Operational Immediate. The substantive portion of this telegram is printed in the Pentagon Papers: Gravel Edition, vol. 11, p. 735.

(2) This cable, August 25, was received via CIA channels as CAS 0292 from Saigon. (Kennedy Library, National Security Files, Vietnam Country Series, 8/24/63-8/31/63, State Cables)

(3) Document 281.

(4) See Document 178.

Source:

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1961-63v03/d285

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285. ĐIỆN TÍN TỪ MICHAEL V. FORRESTAL
(VIÊN CHỨC HỘI ĐỒNG AN NINH QUỐC GIA)
GỬI TỔNG THỐNG KENNEDY, TẠI THỊ TRẤN HYANNIS PORT, MASSACHUSSETS (1)

Washington, ngày 25 tháng 8 năm 1963, lúc 5 giờ 34 chiều.

CAP 63461.

Để trình thông tin lên Tổng thống Kennedy sau bức điện này, nhận được từ Đại sứ Lodge (2) trong tin nhắn trả lời hồi đêm hôm qua.(3)

Bắt đầu bản văn:

Hãy tin rằng cơ hội để ông Diệm đáp ứng yêu cầu của chúng ta gần như bằng số không. Đồng thời, bằng cách như thế [chờ ông Diệm đáp ứng], chúng ta tạo cơ hội cho ông Nhu đánh chặn trước, hoặc ngăn chặn hành động của quân đội. Chúng tôi tin rằng rủi ro là không đáng phải chấp nhận khi ông Nhu nắm quyền kiểm soát lực lượng chiến đấu ở Sài Gòn. Vì vậy, đề nghị [Tổng Thống cho phép] chúng tôi gặp trực tiếp các tướng với các yêu cầu của chúng ta mà không thông báo cho ông Diệm. Chúng tôi [dự kiến] sẽ nói với các tướng rằng chúng ta đã chuẩn bị để giữ ông Diệm mà gạt bỏ ông bà Nhu, nhưng trên thực tế, việc có giữ ông Diệm hay không sẽ là tùy thuộc vào các tướng. Chúng tôi cũng sẽ yêu cầu các Tướng thực hiện các bước đưa các nhà sư lãnh đạo Phật giáo ra khỏi tù, và thực hiện thỏa thuận [giữa chính phủ ông Diệm với Phật tử] ngày 16 tháng 6 (4). Xin được chỉ thị sửa đổi ngay lập tức. Tuy nhiên, đừng đề xuất di chuyển cho đến khi chúng tôi hài lòng với phương án E và E. Tướng Paul Harkins đã đồng thuận. Tôi sẽ trình ủy nhiệm thư lên Tổng thống Diệm vào 11 giờ sáng mai. Ký tên: Lodge.

Kết thúc văn bản.

Georga Ball (Thứ Trưởng Ngoại Giao), Averell Harriman (Thứ trưởng Ngoại giao đặc trách Chính trị)) và Roger Hilsman (Phú tá Ngoại trưởng về Viễn Đông) đã trả lời rằng Bộ Ngoại Giao Hoa Kỳ chấp thuận bản sửa đổi.

GHI CHÚ:

(1) Nguồn: Thư viện Kennedy, Hồ sơ An ninh Quốc gia, Việt Nam Country Series, 24/8/63-8/31/63, State Cables. Bí mật hàng đầu; Chỉ để đọc; Hoạt động ngay lập tức. Phần nội dung của bức điện này được in trong sách "Pentagon Papers: Gravel Edition, vol. 11" (Ngũ Giác Đài: Phiên bản Gravel, tập. 11), tr. 735.

(2) Bức điện này, ngày 25 tháng 8, được nhận qua kênh CIA mang mã số CAS 0292 gửi từ Sài Gòn. (Thư viện Kennedy, Hồ sơ An ninh Quốc gia, Loạt bài Đất nước Việt Nam, 24/8/63-8/31/63, Cáp Nhà nước)

(3) Văn bản 281.

(4) Xem Văn bản 178.

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Bilingual. 268. Ball: Regardless of who is running the show, we should continue to seek the same objectives. We may deem it useful to throw our influence toward reducing or eliminating the power of the Nhus

03/09/2023(Xem: 1517)

Bilingual. 271. Nhu denied this amounted to a coup, but warned it could become one if Diem vacillated or compromised on the Buddhist issue. Ambassador Lodge notes that the resignation of Foreign Minister Mau ‘obviously caught the government flatfooted’.

05/09/2023(Xem: 1279)

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Bilingual. 272. Ambassador Lodge has not yet been able to present his credentials owing to the unexpected resignation of Foreign Minister Maul According to CAS, Vice President Tho’s assistant also indicated that Tho may decide to resign “at the right moment."

06/09/2023(Xem: 823)

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Bilingual. 273. President had sent Madame Nhu, on 23 August, a letter in which he ordered her to make no public statements and give no press conferences. The President also instructed General Oai and the Director General of Information not to print any statement she might make. Both Counselor Nhu and Madame Nhu were “furious.” Thuan: Generals did not know beforehand of the planned raid on Xa Loi,

07/09/2023(Xem: 1153)

Bilingual. 274. General Kim: 1426 people (Buddhist monks and laymen) have been arrested. All of explosives and arms found in pagodas were planted.

08/09/2023(Xem: 1509)

Bilingual. 275. Generals told President that morale of troops was deteriorating, and in fact they feared that one military post was near state of desertion. Generals said that wives of soldiers and junior officers were getting upset. President is still in the saddle what is going on now is being controlled by Nhu.

09/09/2023(Xem: 1225)

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Bilingual. 276. Vo Van Hai, Chief of Diem ‘s private staff, although a long-time Diem loyalist, Hai confided that he feared for his life and thought he was under surveillance by Nhu’s agents. Hai told Kattenburg that Nhu had “carefully stage-managed” the crackdown on the Buddhists.

10/09/2023(Xem: 1806)

Bilingual. 277. Mecklin: The senior officer told me that things were going exceptionally well. After he left, his deputy told me that the situation was rapidly deteriorating. MACV says the war is developing favorably. David Halberstam of the New York Times recently wrote to the contrary.

11/09/2023(Xem: 1081)

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Bilingual. 278. Memorandum to President Kennedy: Brother Nhu is the mastermind behind the whole operation against the Buddhists and is calling the shots. There is disagreement on whether Diem has any political viability left, and on whether he could ever be brought to acquiesce in the removal of his brother.

12/09/2023(Xem: 768)

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Bilingual. 281. Ball: USG cannot accept actions against Buddhists taken by Nhu and his collaborators under cover martial law. Prompt dramatic actions redress situation must be taken, including repeal of decree 10,6 release of arrested monks, nuns, etc. We wish give Diem reasonable opportunity to remove Nhus, but if he remains obdurate, then we are prepared to accept the obvious implication that we

13/09/2023(Xem: 1600)

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Bilingual. 282. Krulak: US officials discussed a coup that derived from recommendations made by Thuan; General Taylor stated that we should give Diem an adequate chance to do what we want.

14/09/2023(Xem: 1237)

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Bilingual. 283. Admiral Felt: Don indicated we must continue support Diem, forcing him to clean house. His suggestion was for the duration of the crisis to have an interim mixed Cabinet, military and civilian. Military should have three Cabinet posts. Don hopes U.S. will truly try bear down on Diem by delegating authority of [to?] Ministers and broadening his narrow outlook.

16/09/2023(Xem: 1084)

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Bilingual. 284. CIA: General Khanh said the Army will take over the country if the politicians decide to seek an agreement with the DRV or even with Communist China for a neutralization of Viet Nam.

17/09/2023(Xem: 1347)

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Bilingual. 287. VOA Broadcast: Vietnam’s secret police under the control of Ngo Dinh Nhu—not the Army—made the raids against Buddhist pagodas last week. Thousands of Buddhists were reported arrested, and at least four killed. America may cut its aid to Vietnam if President Diem does not get rid of the police officials responsible.

19/09/2023(Xem: 1311)

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Bilingual. 288. LODGE: The VOA broadcast eliminated the surprise factor of the generals' effort, tending to increase the chance of bloodshed should there be a violent reaction to what is building up. Obviously the VOA statement cuts right across tactics I had planned. This is a time which calls for action and very few words. CIA: Nhu reportedly ordered the arrest of civilian oppositionists.

20/09/2023(Xem: 1109)

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Bilingual. 289. President Kennedy asked if we are adequately prepared for protecting and/or evacuating U.S. citizens in Vietnam. Admiral Felt said that unless the Nhus were eliminated the middle-level enlisted men would soon lose their interest in fighting.

21/09/2023(Xem: 1408)

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Bilingual. 290. Colonel Conein will tell General Khiem and General Khanh: Nhus must go; Retaining Diem or not up to them; Bonzes and other arrestees must be released immediately and five-point agreement of 16 June be fully carried out;

22/09/2023(Xem: 1701)

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Bilingual. 291. General Khiem replied to Colonel Conein as follows: Generals were in accord with points expressed; Nhu has certain officers on General Don’s staff; Colonel Conein should stand by for later pickup by jeep that will take Colonel Conein to immediate future meeting with General Duong Van Minh; General Khiem concurred in contact with General Khanh about the secret mission

23/09/2023(Xem: 1300)

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Bilingual. 292. Lodge told Diem: "It was interesting to me that people whom I had known all my life in politics thought that Madame Nhu was the Chief of State of Viet-Nam

24/09/2023(Xem: 1159)

Bilingual. 294. General Khanh told CAS officer: Khanh was not ready move now. Plan was to wait until Nhu moved in direction rapprochement with DRV then strike

25/09/2023(Xem: 1597)

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Bilingual. 295. General Taylor asked General Harkins: Why was the Embassy's emergency plan to rely on commercial air to evacuate Americans, both civilians and military, out of Vietnam?

26/09/2023(Xem: 1251)

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Bilingual. 296. Memorandum from Forrestal to President Kennedy

27/09/2023(Xem: 995)

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Bilingual. 298. Lodge’s report of one hour meeting with Nhu. Lodge said that no long range foreign policy could be carried out by the U.S. Government without the support of Congress and public opinion.

28/09/2023(Xem: 1084)

Bilingual. 299. General Khiem told Colonel Conein about the planning. A committee of Generals headed by General Duong Van Minh agreed that a coup will take place within one week.

29/09/2023(Xem: 1296)

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Bilingual. 3. The President’s Intelligence Checklist. Anti-aircraft guns have been emplaced in the Palace area. The shadow of Ngo Dinh Nhu looms ever larger. His picture has begun to show up in public buildings

09/10/2023(Xem: 1226)

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Bilingual. 300. Telegram From General Harkins: I am in direct liaison Embassy E & E officer on details.

30/09/2023(Xem: 1176)

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Bilingual. 302. Memorandum From Forrestal to President Kennedy: A committee of generals has been formed for the purpose of bringing about a military coup within a week.

01/10/2023(Xem: 1221)

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Bilingual. 303. Memorandum of Conference With the President. Ambassador Nolting acknowledged that the secret police had used brutal methods but he believed they had not been ordered to do so.

02/10/2023(Xem: 1221)

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Bilingual. 304. Mr. and Mrs. Ambassador Tran Van Chuong (parents of Madame Nhu) told General Lansdale: The US must act firmly and quickly to replace both Diem and Nhu with a new government.

03/10/2023(Xem: 1326)

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Bilingual. 306. From the Embassy in Vietnam to the Department of State. Generals cited int he report as members coup committee are best group that could be assembled in terms of ability and orientation.

04/10/2023(Xem: 1270)

Bilingual. 307. Central Intelligence Agency Station in Saigon to the Agency. Situation here has reached point of no return. Saigon is armed camp. Current indications are that Ngo family have dug in for last ditch battle.

05/10/2023(Xem: 1380)

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Bilingual. 308. Foreign Reaction to Diem Repression and U.S. Foreign Policy. Press and public reaction to the events in Viet-Nam received to date is almost universally critical of Diem and, directly or by implication, the United States.

06/10/2023(Xem: 1125)

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Bilingual. 33. Telegram From General Harkins. I had a talk with Brig Gen Khiem, Chief JGS, this morning. Asked where Col Thao, CAS 0483, stood in the picture.

25/10/2023(Xem: 1415)

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Bilingual. 34. Telegram From the Embassy in Vietnam. Perhaps an arrangement could be worked out whereby the following could be made to happen: Madame Nhu to leave the country, Mr. Nhu’s functions to be limited entirely to Strategic Hamlets, the office of Prime Minister to be created and Mr. Thuan to become Prime Minister; Archbishop Thuc to leave the country.

26/10/2023(Xem: 798)

Bilingual. 39. To Ambassador Lodge. President Kennedy may well be obliged at next press conference to express US disapproval of repressive measures.

27/10/2023(Xem: 1140)

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Bilingual. 40. From the Department of State to the Embassy in Vietnam. It seems to me that we must keep our eye fixed on the main purpose of our presence in South Viet-Nam

27/10/2023(Xem: 954)

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Bilingual. 41. US Assurances to the Generals. On August 27 Conein assured General Khiem that the US would do all in its power to assist the families of the generals engaged in the coup plot in the event of its failure.

29/10/2023(Xem: 1015)

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Bilingual. 44. From the Embassy. Nhu will resign, leave the government service for good and move to Dalat after he has lifted martial law,

01/11/2023(Xem: 1048)

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Bilingual. 46. From the Central Intelligence Agency Station in Saigon. Kim said that Nhu clearly expected coup attempt, that Tung’s special forces were on full alert, and that they were in a position to prevent any coup attempt from succeeding at this time.

02/11/2023(Xem: 1418)

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Bilingual. 47. From the CIA Station in Saigon. He then cited Nhu press interview circa 8 May in which Nhu said he looking forward to reduction American aid as instance handwriting on wall which not appreciated by Americans. Reiterated earlier statements that Nhu basically anti-American.

03/11/2023(Xem: 782)

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Bilingual. 48. From the Central Intelligence Agency Station in Saigon. Nhu convened a meeting with 15 generals. General Duong Van Minh asked how to answer Americans who ask what we think of present situation. Nhu replied either state no comment or say you do not have enough information to comment.

04/11/2023(Xem: 725)

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Bilingual. 50. Interview With the President. In the final analysis, it is their war. They are the ones who have to win it or lose it. We are prepared to continue to assist them

05/11/2023(Xem: 713)

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Bilingual. 51. Draft telegram to Lodge. Results your talk with Nhu promising on surface but we fear stalling tactics. Thus Nhu [in?] Dalat could still be power behind throne.

06/11/2023(Xem: 1172)

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Bilingual. 56. From the Department of State. Thus, Nhu in Dalat would be some improvement, but he could still be power behind throne; Madame Nhu’s tour could be plus for her local prestige unless she stays away a long time and takes a vacation rather than a speech making world tour (we would emphatically oppose her speaking in the US).

07/11/2023(Xem: 978)

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Bilingual. 58. From the Embassy. Nhu is certainly not contemplating a change in GVN policies and actions.

08/11/2023(Xem: 1089)

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Bilingual. 60. From the Embassy. I do not believe their word is good; Nhu’s resignation surely would mean very little; Madame Nhu’s departure is obviously intended to be a triumphant lecture tour.

09/11/2023(Xem: 1126)

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Bilingual. 61. Telephone Conversation Between the Assistant Secretary of State for Far Eastern Affairs (Hilsman) and the President. Kennedy: There’s an article in The New York Times by Tad Schultz [Szulc], page 5, in which he says that officials say that Nhu is trying to blackmail us.

10/11/2023(Xem: 1096)

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Bilingual. 63. From the Department of State to the Embassy in Vietnam. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee revealed far-reaching doubts regarding not only Diem-Nhu leadership but also advisability of continued US participation in Viet-Nam war.

11/11/2023(Xem: 957)

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Bilingual. 64. Letter From Vu Van Thai to the Under Secretary of State. Vu Van Thai was currently a representative of the United Nations stationed in Togo. Now I am pleading that the US does its utmost to prevent the further crushing of the Buddhist movement

12/11/2023(Xem: 953)

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Bilingual. 66. Conference With the President. Rusk: Unless Diem acts promptly, there will be a drastic effect in the U.S involving both reduction in economic and military assistance and strong pressure to withdraw U.S political support of Vietnam.

13/11/2023(Xem: 1075)

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